Trellia ([info]sinju) wrote,
@ 2005-05-04 00:43:00
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Shiny happy people probably aren't Buddhists.
Well, people have been writing about religion a lot on LJ recently (nothing new on LJ!), so here's my thoughts.

Although I'm not religious in any way, ever since I stopped being a Catholic there's been one religion that's made a lot of sense to me, and that's Buddhism.

There are four principles to the basic belief of Buddhism. They are 1) this world is full of suffering, 2) we are only suffering because we are constantly filled with desire, 3) the way to end the suffering is to end this desire and 4) the way stop the desire is to follow the Middle Path (the Buddhist way of life so-called because it's right in the centre between self-indulgence and self-torture).

For me, Buddhism has hit the nail on the head in regards to the human condition. We are pre-disposed to being unhappy.

I'm not being pessimistic or morbid here; it makes complete evolutionary sense. Humans are only happy when we are doing things, achieving things. If we aren't constantly feeling that we are "doing" something, we get unhappy - we feel that "life is empty" or "there's a void" etc. It's all the same feeling; innate dissatisfaction. You could perhaps say that happiness is an absense of, or distraction from, unhappiness. Perhaps happiness should be called "unsadness."

The number one instinct that governs human behaviour is the preservation of our self and our genes. Almost EVERYTHING we ever do is about our survival and replication of genetic material. And the humans who are most likely to survive are the ones who can develop new and better means of achieving genetic immortality. And the best way to do this is to constantly be doing things, achieving things. So, nature gave us a personality that meant that we could never be completely satisfied with what we'd achieved in life. After all, if we were pre-disposed to being happy and content, we would never develop.

So to me, that's why people feel it's necessary to have a hobby, or get married, or start a family or whatever. But, we will never be totally content with what we've got, because our preservation instinct will kick in and tell us that there's a void somewhere, something that needs to be filled, something we're not doing. And to me that's why people take drugs; it's a way of chemically altering your brain so that dissatisfaction-instinct is temporarily supressed. And, as a non-religious person, I believe it's part of the reason the majority of human beings feel the need to follow a religion. It's doing something, it's justifying your existance, it's satisfying your instinct to feel like you need to be achieving things. And the older you get, the stronger this instinct and dissatisfaction grows, and you panic and feel the need to do things like have families or write books or do anything that preserves a part of you on Earth when you're gone.

Buddhists believe that it is possible to rid yourself of this instinct, by shedding material desires through conditioning (meditation etc). I don't think this is possible; it's a deep, deep part of our human quality and I don't think you can ever completely supress it. Except perhaps with mind-altering drugs like heroin, but I don't take those because I see them as only a temporary solution which'll probably make you more unhappy later on. I think the key is to learn to live with it. You have to realise that if you're unsatisfied with life, it's probably just be brain chemistry telling you that. You've probably achieved a great deal, but your mind just doesn't retain it. Just try and convince yourself that there's no reason to be unhappy. You're allowed to feel happy.

And don't let any New Age books tell you that Buddhism is a nice, happy, smiley rainbow religion. In it's basic form it's one of the most gloomy religions out there. Even more so than Catholicism.

Today's Kanji: 売春 - baishun - Prostitute




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[info]eledhwenlin
2005-05-03 09:16 am UTC (link)
I agree with you. :)

And don't let any New Age books tell you that Buddhism is a nice, happy, smiley rainbow religion. In it's basic form it's one of the most gloomy religions out there. Even more so than Catholicism.

About as gloomy as you can get.

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[info]sinju
2005-05-03 09:34 am UTC (link)
Hehe :) Although Japanese Zen isn't quite so bad...it seems more silly though.

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[info]tamago_sushi
2005-05-03 10:49 am UTC (link)
I'm sort of Buddhist...was quite into it when I was young but I question all religion as well, including my own.

Just live life the way you want is how I see it now. Just as long as you're not hurting anyone in the process...anyone close at least anyway.

I think you understand Buddhism very well.

Maybe it should be, don't get too attached to materials (that's what they call it) but don't supress it...like chocolate, don't over do it but do have some. We all need chocolate in the right amounts.

TS
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[info]sinju
2005-05-03 06:48 pm UTC (link)
Yes, that's what I like about Buddhist teachings; it's about finding a balanced way to live. But I'm well too materialistic and indulgent to be a Buddhist ("woo, new clothes!")

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[info]custos
2005-05-03 05:30 pm UTC (link)
I don't mean to offend, or drudge up memories that could be uncomfortable, but my I inquire as to why you left the Catholic Church? I know this seems like the opening of a speech that goes along the lines of "come back to Jesus' open arms" but I assure it's not. It's impossible for me to try to bring you into a religion since my personal beleifes go from one side of the spectrum to the either, covering many diffrent aspects, such as totem spirits, karma, transubstantiation, and so on. The best way to understand would be to read the book that my icon comes from, Stranger In A Strange Land.

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[info]sinju
2005-05-03 06:54 pm UTC (link)
I left when I was 11, and moved from a Roman Catholic primary school into a secondary school. It was there we were taught about different religions like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and suddenly I realised that there was more to it than "you're either a Christian or a heathen." All of a sudden Catholicism completely lost all credibility for me.

It was like when you get old enough to reason, and you realise that it's not possible for Santa Clause to be real. I suddenly realised that too much about the religion in which I was brought up was contradictory, illogical and sometimes plain ridiculous.

So I stopped going to church. And I have to say, I felt much happier in myself for doing so.

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[info]custos
2005-05-03 07:51 pm UTC (link)
Well that's cool that you found something that makes you happy in that aspect. Most people just go on with what they know and don't bother to venture out into something that would be better.

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-05 08:06 pm UTC (link)
Stranger in a Strange Land - that is by Robert Heinlein, about the man from mars who "groks" stuff, yes? I loved that book, if it's the one I'm thinking of (and the religion points are really awesome)
Phil

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[info]custos
2005-05-05 09:48 pm UTC (link)
That's the book alright, and it did have alot of good points. One of the best works of satire since Generation of Vipers. The only thing that scares me is the fact it actually started a religion, The Church of All Words. I wonder if these people expect to do things that the man from mars did.

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[info]neo_morphesist
2005-05-03 06:07 pm UTC (link)
well i know this sounds odd.
but buddhism isnt really a religion to the western world it is counted as one of the many, but in reality its jsut a dicipline of life.
life is for living, but for some reason humans have evolved into beings of a different quality.
civilization has made us materialistic, and consumerism has taken over.
strangely enuff tho i saw some stupid program about women and sex,
written, in case ur wondering, by a lady from cambridge uni.
that females of the animal kingdom dont care too much for love and affection they just want, material goods.
instead of just living life, the evolution process of become greater beings has inevitably done a give and take on us.
giv u knowledge, take away - ability to just live, like an animal in the wild.
they dont spend all day making money do they?
no.
why should humans?
becoz we're all greedy and those that arent are controlled by the greedy. so u have to work otherwise u wont get anything.
its a double edged knife.

ahh. forget it.
its such a hard subject to discuss
just like the nature nurture thing.
lol.
gonna stop b4 i kill someone.
oh yea, if ur into the full spectrum then theres a thing thats pretty big, my ex and her family used to do it.
its called saji yoga.
i think.. thats pheonetically spelt. i dont know the correct spelling.
but if u want to look into it.
its just a way to live life.. i think.
haha i dont even know.
lol

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[info]sinju
2005-05-03 06:50 pm UTC (link)
I agree - humans are naturally greedy. It makes sense; if you weren't, you wouldn't be providing for your existance. But I don't think there's any way to change that. You've just got to learn to try and control your greediness where necessary.

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[info]aheartbeat_away
2005-05-03 08:00 pm UTC (link)
I completely agree with you, although I kinda like the whole Zen Buddhism thing, but I agree with Buddhism as a whole.

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[info]sinju
2005-05-04 12:56 am UTC (link)
Zen's rather cool, but I do find it hard to take seriously when they believe it's possible to gain spontaneous enlightenment just from thinking about things like "what is the sound of one hand clapping?"

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[info]tamago_sushi
2005-05-04 12:15 pm UTC (link)
Haha, that reminds me of the episode of Simpsons where Bart answers that by using one hand and tapping the fingers against the base of his palm...it does make a sound too... lol.

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[info]sinju
2005-05-04 06:20 pm UTC (link)
Yes, unfortunately you can't cite that example anymore without people thinking of that episode.

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(Anonymous)
2005-05-05 08:08 pm UTC (link)
And as any half decent scientist knows... a tree falling in the wood with no one to hear it DOES make a sound - sound is just compressed air waves.
Phil

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[info]custos
2005-05-05 09:51 pm UTC (link)
That only works if you believe that science is the one absolute truth. What about reality doesn't exist until we percieve it? Don't make me attempt to spell out the name of the German guy with the cat, heh.

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[info]sinju
2005-05-07 07:36 am UTC (link)
Maybe it's impossible for a tree to fall in the woods without anyone hearing it, because the woods are always full of little animals that would hear it. The only way you could get the tree to fall so no-one would hear it would be in a vacuum. In which case, it wouldn't make a sound!

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[info]custos
2005-05-07 02:29 pm UTC (link)
Of course no one would hear it in a vacuum, no one could survive a vacuum and you can't hear well through space suits, heh. I still say Schrodinger's Cat is the answer. The tree in question never fell over, it merely exist as if it fell over because of a preconcieved notion of the majority of humanity. Ah, Science and Magick hand in hand. "We percieve reality to exist in such a manner and so it does" and "As I will it, so shall it be."

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[info]sinju
2005-05-08 07:47 am UTC (link)
Anyway, the whole Schrodinger's Cat is also about probability. In the example of the Box, there is an equal chance that the cat could be alive or dead, which makes it work according to quantum theory. With the tree, however, the chances of it NOT making a sound are infintessimally small (the only way this could happen is if all the air particles in the wood rushed out somehow), so Schrodinger's Cat can't be applied here.

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[info]custos
2005-05-08 08:51 am UTC (link)
*rest hands together all evil villian like in the pyramid of power* Hmmm, you've won this round Ms. Trellia but there will be others. Of yes, you can coun't on that! Mwuahahahahah! *room fills with smoke as his laugh fades away. As the smoke clears he is still there* Could you leave now? Heh

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