Trellia ([info]sinju) wrote,
@ 2006-04-16 18:20:00
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HAPPY EASTER!

HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE!! I hope everyone got tonnes of yummy Easter Eggs!  Because we all Love Eggs!

I just had an interesting discussion with Richard.  He's making a welcome video on behalf of the Anglo Japanese Society for the new Teikyo students, and I noticed that all the music he'd used in it was Japanese.  I suggested that maybe he should put a bit of British music in it (it is the Anglo-Japanese Society, after all!)

He said, "OK, how about Green Day?"

I said, they're not British.  He said, "I know, but the Teikyo students won't know the difference!"

I pointed out that this was like calling a cheongsam a "geisha" outfit (they regularly are), or using Chinese actors to portray Japanese people because it's assumed most Westerners won't know the difference.   He saw what I meant, and said, "Alright, show me some good British music."

Arata and I introduced him to Blur, Oasis, Pulp, the Manics and several other typically British bands, but none of them appealed.  He said, "I want something like Green Day or Sum 41 that makes you think of partying on beaches in the sun."

And that's when it hit me.  That's the difference between American and British music (or more specifically, Britpop and American pop-punk).  British music is just not like that.  It's not about sunshine or parties or the inconvenience of how school sucks, it's about being poor, and political injustice, and how life is bitterly unfair, and it does it all with a wry smile.  American music tends to be about how America wants to be, British music is about how Britain is.

You can see the same pattern in other aspects of American and UK media, such as TV.  America has Friends, we have EastEnders for example.

I'm being extremely general here and obviously there are a lot of exceptions (like British bands imitating American bands, eg. Busted, and the whole American Grunge scene which was even bleaker than any Britpop).  But if you're looking for stereotypes, I'd say that would sum it up.  

So perhaps British music wouldn't be the best for painting a positive image of Britain to an outsider.  But it would paint an accurate one.

Japanese of the Day: 就馬の党 - shuuba no tou - Equine division




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[info]custos
2006-04-16 06:29 pm UTC (link)
Well as far as stereotypes go I would have to say that from my understanding, albeit limited, of British music that it's pretty dead on. Now in defense of the music of my countrymen I will say that of all the bands that make it big and are heard over seas there are a hundred others that sing a diffrent tune. But the biggest diffrence would be when things are labled pop-punk. The whole multigenre thing confuses me. Especially when it labels bands I like as pop, heh.

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[info]tyan_powerslave
2006-04-17 12:53 am UTC (link)
I still like Green Day etc and a couple of less well known US bands, but I would still agree with the point made. Why is it that we always fail to export the best music from our country though?

Listen to Pulp (its grim up north) and the Manics.. (its pretty dull in the Welsh valleys ( :P ))

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[info]sinju
2006-04-17 01:46 am UTC (link)
I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with a lot of American music, it's just different. And since so many bands from practically every other country imitate the American style, it must be doing something right.

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[info]glassangel4
2006-04-17 02:16 am UTC (link)
in a strange way, that's why i like british music, i like the stories, and recognising them. and it's not just the 'brit-pop' of the 90s - now we have hardfi and the streets continuing the tradition...

and i think green day now tell it like it is in america. other bands do too, like nofx... though i still love mcr and the used!

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[info]sinju
2006-04-17 02:21 am UTC (link)
That's true about Green Day, but they still end up having a far livelier sound than most Britpop. Again, that could be another difference - British music actually sounds slower and quieter (I once read on a music site, "If anyone can make a music genre sound dull, it's the British." Perhaps that's true).

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[info]onchristieroad
2006-04-17 04:55 am UTC (link)
I think British music tends to be more hopeful/melancholy-introspective and is written from a more individual/underdog perspective - more 'How can things get any worse?' or 'Things aren't so bad as they seem' rather than the modern American 'It's really bad, and it's only going to get worse' group mentality.

Could it sound any more about psychobabble? May-be...

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[info]sinju
2006-04-17 06:30 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I'd say that was true too! It's quite down-to-earth in its approach. Probably reflects the British distrust of anything that seems extreme, while the Americans seem to thrive on the extreme (that's why things like evangelism and Jerry Springer and other things are very popular in America, but never quite caught on in England).

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-17 10:27 am UTC (link)
A lot of American music is protest though, even if it's not always the popular stuff. Look at Dylan and Springsteen - it's FULL of references to how crappy the American dream is. True, Americans are by and large much less subtle than British bands (ie American Idoit - not much doubt there)but good and bad songwriting exists on both sides of the pond. Are Busted complaining about the sze of breasts in classrooms?

Martyn (who else ;-))

Ps Good luck with xams - hope u do reeeaaaallllly well!

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-17 10:28 am UTC (link)
PPS - ironic i spelled "idiot" wrong...

Martyn

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[info]sinju
2006-04-17 11:27 am UTC (link)
I think that was one point I was trying to make - America has exceptions, but they're not popular. Blur, Oasis and Pulp are (or at least were) "pop." Interestingly.

Thanks - exams aren't for another month yet, but still seem scarily close (one month feels like one week when you're at uni)

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[info]glassangel4
2006-04-17 02:05 pm UTC (link)
bands like nofx are very big in america, and obviously green day are huge.

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[info]sinju
2006-04-17 03:04 pm UTC (link)
True. But to reiterate what onechristieroad said, they adopt a protesting attitude rather than the resigned British attitude.

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[info]tyan_powerslave
2006-04-19 08:07 am UTC (link)
I like nofx stuff but it costs tons here - so I only own one track - which I liked so much when they were at Leeds. It's called "Idiot Son of an Asshole" and it could be termed 'protest song'......maybe

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